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UdG
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Re: Which mechanical pencils do you use?

Contribution from UdG » 03.07.2019 21:05

I mostly use the Zebra Delguard 0.5. if you don't know it yet, this is a mechanical pencil that cannot break off https://youtu.be/c5eB98lBDWU

Another interesting pencil:
Uni Kuro Toga
https://youtu.be/2rn_UpNXvyE
The lead continues to rotate after each line so that you always have a line with the same width. But I rarely use it, because the do not cancel function is more important to me.

pen
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Re: Which mechanical pencils do you use?

Contribution from pen » 04.07.2019 14:33

I bought a great mechanical pencil last year and it lies wonderfully in my hand, if I have no idea it only cost a few euros.
But I don't give anymore because he's so great.
best regards
Harald
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elgarak
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Re: Which mechanical pencils do you use?

Contribution from elgarak » 10.01.2020 12:24

My current favorite is the Pentel Orenznero. Small, slim, made of a metal-plastic composite. As usual with Pentel Orenz, it has a retractable mine tube that completely surrounds the mine. When writing, the tube slides back just as far as necessary. In addition, it has an automatic lead advance when it is set down (which is missing in the normal, cheaper Orenz'en.) So you only need to press the back once, and then just write. Drawing (with a ruler) also works very well (the normal Orenz have a problem because the tube of the ruler pushes you in too far and then the lead breaks more easily.)

The only 'disadvantage': Only available with 0.2 / 0.3 mm leads (but actually the design with lead protection only makes sense with the thin leads), and because of the small diameter it is sometimes a bit choppy on rough, cheap paper. Otherwise actually the ultimate design optimized with everything for which you actually choose a mechanical pencil.

I generally take a slightly softer lead (Faber-Castell 2B, they are generally harder than others, or Staedtler B.) Increasingly, I like the Japanese, especially the Mitsubishi Uni NanoDia. Japanese leads (also in normal pencils) are generally smoother and fuller in terms of abrasion, and the NanoDia go one better, allegedly through the addition of diamond nano-particles. But unfortunately they are a bit difficult to get in this country, and sometimes expensive (or are only offered in bulk. I don't write that much in life, and not great for testing either.)

Otherwise I use Faber-Castell. For drawing, I like the normal, simple 97xx (I learned in my old days that you can push the lead tube all the way back. You just have to press harder [much harder] ...), for writing the Poly-Matic (automatic feed like the Orenznero, just cheaper) or TK Executive. Both in 0.7 (robust for everyday use), with a nice, soft, supple lead.

Zollinger
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Re: Which mechanical pencils do you use?

Contribution from Zollinger » 14.01.2020 8:06

Because I mainly use the DB on the go, I appreciate the Lamy Twin Pen mechanism, in which the tip is completely sunk with a simple twist:



With the Studio, the mine is also moved by a rotary movement, with the cp1 and Safari by the push button.
I hardly ever use the ballpoint pen refill that comes with it.

Z.


fismoll
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Re: Which mechanical pencils do you use?

Contribution from fismoll » 19.02.2020 17:06

I only have one, it's a Montblanc 165P (.5 mm), it fits perfectly in my hand; even the eraser works, although I mostly use Staedtler Mars plastic for this. Write long texts, notes (dots, lines, arcs - no numbers ) write - works great. I hope I don't lose it.
Best regards - André

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elgarak
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Re: Which mechanical pencils do you use?

Contribution from elgarak » 20.02.2020 12:39

Füchschen wrote: ↑
  1. Lead diameter: 0.2, 0.3, 0.4, 0.5, 0.7, 0.9mm? (or lead pencils with a 2mm diameter?)
  2. fixed tip sleeve or retractable (this is the small metal sleeve at the very front, e.g. on the Rotring 600, originally intended for technical draftsmen and the like to work neatly with a ruler)
  3. Grip: corrugated (with knurling, in English "knurling"), or made of rubber, plastic, ...?
  4. Lead grade indicator, where you can set H, HB, B, 2B, ..., depending on the lead inserted
  5. Appearance: rather long & narrow (like a pencil), or more like a fountain pen / pen counterpart?


    1. I somehow have the problem that all break off below 0.7, because I seem to press too hard. However, I would like to have a smaller diameter because the 0.7 is already very large.
    2. I would say retractable so that I don't cut holes anywhere.
    3. I don't like anything that attracts dirt and dust.
    4. I don't need the mine hardness display
    5. I don't care about looks. It has to be comfortable to hold.
Based on this list, I recommend trying a Pentel Orenz. The (retractable) tube is always around the lead, which therefore cannot break off. I regularly use the very thin 0.2mm, and have not yet had a broken mine. The only disadvantage: the lead tube is always in contact with the paper. Many find it scratchy.

The standard Orenz costs ~ € 6, with a metal handle ~ € 10. Shaft in many colors. The Amazons also have a very cheap pack of four for ~ € 11 (four Orenze, one each in 0.2; 0.3; 0.5; 0.7. Fixed color combination, as a diameter indicator).

Necessary note: Pentel is currently the only manufacturer and Orenz is the only model range that uses and manufactures 0.2 mm leads.

Alternative non-mine breaker pins:
- Platinum OLEeNU. Only in 0.5 mm, only with a rubberized handle (not my first choice, but every jeck eats differently). The high grade model also reduces the unusable end mine part. (If the lead is too short, it is no longer held by the internal mechanics, and the lead residue then usually has to be removed and thrown away. Depending on the pen, this is ~ 10..15 mm lead length; with the OLEeNU High Grade it is <5 mm.)
- Zebra Delguard. Only with a firm (non-retractable), quite thick, lead tube.

elgarak
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Re: Which mechanical pencils do you use?

Contribution from elgarak » 20.02.2020 14:20

Of course, there are also the usual tips against a mine break:

1) Let the mine look out of the front as little as possible.
2) Use softer leads (B or 2B). Softer leads are actually more brittle than hard leads ... but you have to press far less hard to get enough graphite on the paper, so they break less in practice. Faber-Castells HB in particular are terribly hard and pale and tempt you to press hard.
3) When drawing with a ruler, guide the pen with the lead tube and not with the lead (classic beginner's mistake in school). Above all, run the pen parallel to the edge of the ruler, and not at an angle against the edge (then the tip of the lead slips between the ruler and the paper and is broken off by the ruler.) But nobody has ever told me personally that you should have been taught at school .

old enough
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Re: Which mechanical pencils do you use?

Contribution from old enough » 26.02.2020 10:29

Hello forum,

As a newcomer, I hope that my question fits here and has not already been answered a thousand times. However, I didn't find anything on the first four or five pages in this sub-forum ...

From the days of my studies I still have one (from three or four before) Rotring 600 mechanical pencil (s). I was pleased that they still exist today and they are not even very expensive.

I also like to buy used and wanted to get a suitable 0.5mm variant for the existing 0.7mm pen and was surprised at how expensive the older pens are on the used market.

Does anyone know whether there are technical reasons for this, such as better processing quality of the old pens? Or are these purely emotional reasons? Outwardly, the new pens look identical to me except for a changed placement of the lettering.

Thank you and best regards
Sebastian

The time traveler
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Re: Which mechanical pencils do you use?

Contribution from The time traveler » 26.02.2020 11:22

I use lots Mechanical pencils, but my favorites are:

Waterman Hemisphere (in 0.7 and 0.5 mm) - elegant, feels good in my hand
Ohto Auto-Sharp (0.5) - very inexpensive, triangular
Lamy 2000 (0.7 mm) - comfortable for longer typing
Waterman Expert (0.5 mm) - pleasant shape, like the Lamy 2000, but heavier
Thank you, I am already converted - writing with a fountain pen is the way to earthly paradise.

JulieParadise
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Re: Which mechanical pencils do you use?

Contribution from JulieParadise » 26.02.2020 11:34

- a little Waterman's that I got as a present from Switzerland (the one here: www.instagram.com/p/BvWMgaijBbQ)
- D350 black / gold (this set has been mine for over a year: www.instagram.com/p/BrxGQ6RD9lZ)
- many different models from Faber-Castell in different strengths (TK Fine 9713, 9719, Vario [L])
and, soon, because you gave me stupid thoughts:
- D400 tortoiseshell knows, I swear! bought new for € 88.61, but can now only find it for € 68 as a WareHouse Deal or € 130 new (smile.amazon.de/gp/offer-listing/B001OUS5DY/ref=dp_olp_all_mbc?ie=UTF8&condition=all)

paul
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Place of residence: Thuringia

Re: Which mechanical pencils do you use?

Contribution from paul » 26.02.2020 12:20

alt_genug wrote: ↑ I [...] was surprised at how expensive the older pens are on the used market.

Does anyone know whether there are technical reasons for this, such as better processing quality of the old pens? Or are these purely emotional reasons? Outwardly, the new pens look identical to me except for a changed placement of the lettering.
As far as I know, the old ones were still produced in Germany; after being sold to Sanford in 1998, production was relocated to Japan. Sometimes you hear that the old ones are supposed to be “simply better”. Unfortunately, I can't judge that myself and I don't have any objective sources for it. I think the price arises purely from the rarity, is now a collector's item. There is also a vintage 0.9mm. For daily use, however, nothing speaks against a modern 600. I can also recommend the 500: since the body is made of plastic, the center of gravity is comfortably shifted towards the tip. By the way, both are also available in 0.35mm - if you want to complete the set properly

old enough
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Re: Which mechanical pencils do you use?

Contribution from old enough » 26.02.2020 14:16

Thank you for the clarification!

Actually, the Japanese can also make good things. In this respect, there is justified hope that the current Rotrings will work just as reliably as my old one.

But I don't want to become a Rotring collector now, the "completion" was just the first idea when I came into contact with a real writing instrument again. Despite latent interest, I haven't used a solid writing implement for years because none was needed except for signatures. Now read me in again and then choose something. I once got a Kaweco Special S 2.0 with a thickness of 0.5 mm for a business trip. A very solid mechanical pencil that feels valuable and actually sits comfortably in my hand. But I don't know whether I will be able to cope with the size (or smallness) in the long term. At the moment I would like to try a Pentel Orenz.

Best wishes
Sebastian

elgarak
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Re: Which mechanical pencils do you use?

Contribution from elgarak » 26.02.2020 14:42

I don't have any red rings. Based on online reviews, the main criticism of newer models seems to be that 'worse' / less durable material is chosen than before (softer metal for the tip, plastic threaded sleeve instead of metal, etc.) White said whether this is really a problem, can I don't check (the statement that plastic is basically 'worse' / less durable than metal is simply wrong in my eyes anyway.)

As I said, for me Pentel Orenz are currently my preferred choice as utility pencils. I'm still amazed at how well you can work with 0.2 mm leads. They are naturally very sensitive and break much more easily when refilling than thicker ones - even 0.3 are more robust - but once in the Orenz they do it just as safely as thicker ones.

paul
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Re: Which mechanical pencils do you use?

Contribution from paul » 26.02.2020 18:33

paul wrote: ↑ As far as I know, the old ones were still produced in Germany; after being sold to Sanford in 1998, production was relocated to Japan.
I have to correct myself and add:

On the one hand, there is no such thing as "the" old 600, but it was produced in at least 3 different series, and series 2 and 3 both in Germany and Japan, see the following PDF. In addition, the 600s were 'discontinued' sometime in the early 2000s, before the mechanical pencil (around 2008/9?) And recently the pen variant were reissued (this time production purely in Japan).

Unfortunately, the pdf has no pictures and does not say a word about the built-in mechanism, which can also differ within the series. I couldn't find an exact assignment, so here are just a few pictures / links (not mine) to show the different variants: (which used to be only metal, so obviously not correct!)

Here is the 600G and 800.
Here is an older mechanism with a visible spring.
Here apparently from series 2.

In addition, there was a detailed thread here in the forum about the variants of the 600 fountain pen.

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